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the president and john boehner's relationship. john boehner now, when he walks back to hc-5 and he has that meeting with a republican caucus that he's having to drag to the table to bring -- generate new revenue. he now goes back, and boehner faces a very angry caucus. tom cole came out and said, hey, let's go ahead and raise taxes. that was remarkable. eric cantor on this show said, we have to raise additional revenue. republicans have stepped forward and said that. if i were a sitting member of congress right now, a guy on this show who has said for years we have to make a deal, my response to john boehner would be very simple. just stop talking to him. don't talk to them until they make a serious offer. just don't. because this is, after all, a party that's been running the u.s. senate for years, and they've never produced a budget. if they want to offer us something serious, great. if not, well, we'll just sit back and wait. really, i've got to say, i'm really stunned by what happened yesterday, mark. tell us why it happened t
the president and john boehner's relationship. john boehner now, when he walks back to hc-5 and he has that meeting with a republican caucus that he's having to drag to the table to bring -- generate new revenue. he now goes back, and boehner faces a very angry caucus. tom cole came out and said, hey, let's go ahead and raise taxes. that was remarkable. eric cantor on this show said, we have to raise additional revenue. republicans have stepped forward and said that. if i were a sitting member...
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host: let's hear from -- we heard from speaker john boehner before. let's hear from the senate majority leader harry reid responding to what has been out there regarding the fiscal cliff talks. this is from yesterday. >> republicans know where we stand. we've said it and said it and said it so many times. the president said the same thing. it's been at least two weeks since we met at the white house and we're still waiting for a serious offer from the republicans. really now is the time for the republicans to move past this happy talk about revenues, ill-defined of course, and put specifics on the table. the president made a proposal. we need a proposal from them. >> the proposal includes $1.6 trillion in new revenues. other proposals out. some deal with unspecified entitle cuts and some spending, there's a write-up in "usa today." we'll show you that during the course of this segment. but that's the proposal as far as it was delivered by the secretary. i suppose more reaction will come today. but we're getting your thoughts on ways to prevent this fr
host: let's hear from -- we heard from speaker john boehner before. let's hear from the senate majority leader harry reid responding to what has been out there regarding the fiscal cliff talks. this is from yesterday. >> republicans know where we stand. we've said it and said it and said it so many times. the president said the same thing. it's been at least two weeks since we met at the white house and we're still waiting for a serious offer from the republicans. really now is the time...
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i think a lot of what you're hearing, including from john boehner, is this posturing you have to do to make sure you can still raise money, obviously, as we were just saying. but at the same time, you've got to believe that he understands deep down, those rates are going up one way or another. if they can't come to an agreement, all the rates will go up. i still think that's what boehner would prefer. >> when we had the lame duck bush tax cut extension, which frustrated a lot of people, myself included, a lot of people on this network, okay? afterwards, if you would talk to someone from the white house, they would say, no, no, no. we've got this. we've got it all set up now, because it's going to all expire at the same me and we're goingth e all the leverage because they're going to expire. we're going to have the leverage. i was skeptical of that. but i think it is true from a negotiating standpoint, they really do have the leverage. you have people saying, oh, walk away. don't even talk to them. we shouldn't even -- that's fine. go ahead. don't talk to them. all the rates go up. >> y
i think a lot of what you're hearing, including from john boehner, is this posturing you have to do to make sure you can still raise money, obviously, as we were just saying. but at the same time, you've got to believe that he understands deep down, those rates are going up one way or another. if they can't come to an agreement, all the rates will go up. i still think that's what boehner would prefer. >> when we had the lame duck bush tax cut extension, which frustrated a lot of people,...
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he does have a strong relationship with house speaker john boehner. how do personal relationships affect political judgments in washington? joining me now, msnbc political analyst and columnist for "the hill," karen finney and republican strategist john braybender. good morning to both of you. it's interesting because tim geithner was persona non grata, including from speaker boehner. geithner has said he isn't the most likely guy to be going up on capitol hill. is this about his relationship with the speaker? what is it about? >> i think it's partially that. also, tim geithner is respected, he does still have respect among folks on wall street and business leaders. so a no of the stakeholders respect what he has to say. i think people see him as an honest broker and straight shooter. i can tell you i've been in meetings with him. he can be very direct and very blunt, but he also has a very solid understanding of the mechanics of our economy but also sort of the big picture which i think is so important here in washington. we get caught up a lot of ti
he does have a strong relationship with house speaker john boehner. how do personal relationships affect political judgments in washington? joining me now, msnbc political analyst and columnist for "the hill," karen finney and republican strategist john braybender. good morning to both of you. it's interesting because tim geithner was persona non grata, including from speaker boehner. geithner has said he isn't the most likely guy to be going up on capitol hill. is this about his...
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house speaker john boehner saying no progress has been made in negotiations. mike emanuel is live on capitol hill now. what are the republican complaints, mike, and how are they pushing back at the president? >> reporter: senator john john cornyn who is a member of the rupp leadership says he thinks president obama wants to go over the fiscal cliff by proposing higher taxes, no spending cuts and no plans to save entitlements. with president obama going to pennsylvania today, the house republican whip, kevin mccarthy's office put out a video profiling a small business nearby in pennsylvania that would get hurt by a tax hike. >> i'm jerry gorsky from an engineering company. however good or bad we do is my income. this notion of $250,000 being top 2% or the wealthy people in america ignores the way most small businesses work in america. >> reporter: i mentioned president obama is going out on the trail, if you will in pennsylvania to sell his arguments. one would expect we would hear some sort of response from speaker john boehner after that. jon. jon: what are t
house speaker john boehner saying no progress has been made in negotiations. mike emanuel is live on capitol hill now. what are the republican complaints, mike, and how are they pushing back at the president? >> reporter: senator john john cornyn who is a member of the rupp leadership says he thinks president obama wants to go over the fiscal cliff by proposing higher taxes, no spending cuts and no plans to save entitlements. with president obama going to pennsylvania today, the house...
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he's saying to john boehner i'm taking your leverage home with me. he's right about it. i don't think the house will ever go for it. but it is the way things should be, don't you think? >> he should have done it the last time, he should have done it in 2011. a lot of us wrote it and wondered why he wasn't doing this then but at least he's doing it now and yes this is exactly the right way to play it. the congress has increased the debt limit -- i forget the exact number, i think it is 73 times in american history. and never never until last year was it held hostage to other demands or filibustered by the senate which it was both of those things last year. so he's coming back and saying no no, i'm not going to play the game that way anymore. >> eliot: that's exactly right. we still don't have any clarity to switch over to what the republicans are asking for or what their proposal would look like. there are three different ways they could agree to raise revenue. you can cap deductions for individuals and mitt romney debate idea, eliminate specific loopholes or raise margin
he's saying to john boehner i'm taking your leverage home with me. he's right about it. i don't think the house will ever go for it. but it is the way things should be, don't you think? >> he should have done it the last time, he should have done it in 2011. a lot of us wrote it and wondered why he wasn't doing this then but at least he's doing it now and yes this is exactly the right way to play it. the congress has increased the debt limit -- i forget the exact number, i think it is 73...
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and house speaker john boehner who described his phone call with the president wednesday night as disappointing was not impressed by the white house proposal. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. right now all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president and congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're really willing to make. >> boehner then raised the stakes by throwing the debt ceiling into the mix, suggesting that any plans to raise the nation's borrowing limit would have to be matched by spending cuts in the fiscal cliff deal. >> as i told the president a couple weeks ago, there's a lot of things i've wanted in my life, but almost all of them had a price tag attached to them. i continue to believe that any increase in the debt limit has to be accompanied by spending reductions that meet or exceed it. >> asking that a political price be paid in order for congress to do its job to ensure that the united state
and house speaker john boehner who described his phone call with the president wednesday night as disappointing was not impressed by the white house proposal. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. right now all eyes are on the white house. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. it's time for the president and congressional democrats to tell the american people what spending cuts they're...
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that deal was nixed by speaker john boehner almost as soon as it was offered ultimately republicans are against the wall whether they like it or not the bush tax cuts are expiring at the end of the year now the only question left is what will republicans attempt to take. you for these tax cuts expire it could be extended unemployment benefits for more than two million americans which are set to expire at the end of the year as well and if republicans tie up these benefits and also be standing in the way of hundreds of thousands of jobs being created at least that's the conclusion of a new report by. nonpartisan congressional budget office c.e.o. estimates the just the simple act of extending unemployment benefits beyond the end of the year will provide much needed relief to two point one million jobless americans and it will also create three hundred thousand jobs after all that's how economics works americans their money in their pockets to spend that spending creates jobs consumers of the ultimate job creators conversely the c.b. overseas released a report earlier this year concluding
that deal was nixed by speaker john boehner almost as soon as it was offered ultimately republicans are against the wall whether they like it or not the bush tax cuts are expiring at the end of the year now the only question left is what will republicans attempt to take. you for these tax cuts expire it could be extended unemployment benefits for more than two million americans which are set to expire at the end of the year as well and if republicans tie up these benefits and also be standing...
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. >> i love the fact that mitch mcconnell and john boehner are whining about the fact that president obama is out on the road again. this is what ronald reagan did. >> exactly. exactly. oh, yeah. absolutely. and it's part of the job. >> yeah. ? >> you would hope that the president is engaged in a dialogue with the american people on the issues that are central importance to the country. >> called the bully pulpit. he won it. he was talking to a colleague of yours in the house the other day. and i mentioned, you know, because just butefore you guys came back, got here to save us from going over the fiscal cliff, and he said why not go over the cliff? it's not a cliff. it's a slope. if you look at it, the immediate impact won't be so bad. and he said, i think it might be better to go over the cliff than accept a bad deal. do you agree? >> well, he is right in the sense that it's not a cliff. it is a gradual slope. but i don't think we can afford to go over the cliff. i think it would have a significant adverse effect on the economy at a time where poised to pull out of this recession a
. >> i love the fact that mitch mcconnell and john boehner are whining about the fact that president obama is out on the road again. this is what ronald reagan did. >> exactly. exactly. oh, yeah. absolutely. and it's part of the job. >> yeah. ? >> you would hope that the president is engaged in a dialogue with the american people on the issues that are central importance to the country. >> called the bully pulpit. he won it. he was talking to a colleague of yours...
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john boehner came out and said this is not workable. we are going nowhere fast. we have to get somewhere soon. you are asking where is the republican plan, well, speaker of the house john boehner, put it on the table, we will talk about revenues. we will talk about tax revenues. prd said 800 billion is where his number is. [talking over each other] ashley: the interesting point is, they will not discuss tax break height. gerri: what they said is -- our position has been all along, no increase in revenues. this was a huge turnaround for the republicans. i think you have already scene more movement out of the republicans than the democrats. tracy: they want to see movement on that internal entitlement program as well. it all makes sense. gerri: the easiest way to solve this problem is just to pull back slightly on entitlement spending. it would make a huge difference. it solves so many problems. we were talking about earlier, it is so interesting to watch, to people that hate each other have to somehow -- ashley: [talking over each other] gerri: figuring out how to
john boehner came out and said this is not workable. we are going nowhere fast. we have to get somewhere soon. you are asking where is the republican plan, well, speaker of the house john boehner, put it on the table, we will talk about revenues. we will talk about tax revenues. prd said 800 billion is where his number is. [talking over each other] ashley: the interesting point is, they will not discuss tax break height. gerri: what they said is -- our position has been all along, no increase...
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thank you. >> those remarks from house speaker john boehner. and more about the fiscal cliff negotiations with house majority leader eric kantor. >> what was your reaction? >> you know, i think we have said that offer is not a serious offer. all of a sudden they're asking for $1.6 trillion in tax hikes and nowhere near that number in spending reforms. and what we've always said is we want to fix the problem. we want to make sure that we get a hand on these unfunded obligations connected with the into itment programs. we want to start the spending problem so we can then go about trying to manage down the debt and deaf sifment and we don't want to aggravate a struggling economy. we want to get people back to work, which is why again, we take the position that raising tax rates is absolutely not something that helps get people back to work. >> what was the importance of that, rather than just going ahead with visas that you agree are very, very important? >> well, again, what we believe is this was the first step forward in terms of trying to addr
thank you. >> those remarks from house speaker john boehner. and more about the fiscal cliff negotiations with house majority leader eric kantor. >> what was your reaction? >> you know, i think we have said that offer is not a serious offer. all of a sudden they're asking for $1.6 trillion in tax hikes and nowhere near that number in spending reforms. and what we've always said is we want to fix the problem. we want to make sure that we get a hand on these unfunded obligations...
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will john boehner acknowledge one thing that the house need to be bipartisan as well? >> the voters told us do this together. there is much more pain across america. because if speaker boehner fails to pass this measure passed by the senate, let me tell you where the pain is going to be, the loss of consumer confidence and more unemployment and the stock market going down. at a time when looking for recovery speaker boehner need to listen to what the people said on november 6. let's follow this work order and do it before we leave. >> based on the update leader reid has provided us, i think all of us are confident we can reach a bipartisan agreement by christmas time. we don't expect the republicans to be cheerleading about a deal that includes higher rates on the wealthiest americans. they are not going to concede this far out from the deadline but they see the handwriting on the wall. yesterday we all met with business leaders who are part of the fix the debt coalition. we urged the c.e.o.s to help us convince the republicans for highers revenues and higher hev news
will john boehner acknowledge one thing that the house need to be bipartisan as well? >> the voters told us do this together. there is much more pain across america. because if speaker boehner fails to pass this measure passed by the senate, let me tell you where the pain is going to be, the loss of consumer confidence and more unemployment and the stock market going down. at a time when looking for recovery speaker boehner need to listen to what the people said on november 6. let's...
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just listen to house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader, harry reid. >> listen this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. and this is a moment for adult leadership. >> i don't understand his brain. so, you should ask him. okay? >> tough words there. abc's jon karl is covering this all from capitol hill. jon, as we said, senate republican leader mitch mcconnell says he laughed out loud at geithner's offer. break down the offer from the white house and the republican objections. >> reporter: not only did he laugh out loud, the speaker saying it's unrealistic. the key is $1.6 trillion in tax increases over the next ten years. $50 billion in additional stimulus spending. $400 billion in medicare cuts. but unspecified over the next ten years. and effectively ending congress' ability to vote on the debt limit. an unlimited ability to borrow more money. republicans may agree to more taxes. but not that much more. and they certainly aren't going to agree to more spending. and they're going to demand real spending cuts. this wouldn't get a single
just listen to house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader, harry reid. >> listen this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. and this is a moment for adult leadership. >> i don't understand his brain. so, you should ask him. okay? >> tough words there. abc's jon karl is covering this all from capitol hill. jon, as we said, senate republican leader mitch mcconnell says he laughed out loud at geithner's offer. break down the offer...
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afterward, house speaker john boehner said the white house had not proposed spending cuts needed to win critical republican votes. >> i have to tell you, i'm disappointed in where we are, i am disappointed in what's happened in the last couple weeks. >> reporter: senate majority leader harry reid fired back saying democrats put forward a serious plan and ridiculed boehner when asked about the argument that the ball is in the democrats' court. >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. >> reporter: away from the hill, vice president biden took his own steps to push for fiscal cliff compromise, stopping in d.c.'s first costco. warning the economy could suffer greatly if lawmakers can't get a deal done. he proudly flashed his store membership card. >> i went to get my wife's card, she said no, no, no, get your own. >> reporter: according to sources at the white house and on the hill, treasury secretary geithner offered a plan that includes $1.6 trillion in new taxes and $400 billion in spending cuts. it is essentially the budget proposal from last year, a plan republicans call
afterward, house speaker john boehner said the white house had not proposed spending cuts needed to win critical republican votes. >> i have to tell you, i'm disappointed in where we are, i am disappointed in what's happened in the last couple weeks. >> reporter: senate majority leader harry reid fired back saying democrats put forward a serious plan and ridiculed boehner when asked about the argument that the ball is in the democrats' court. >> i don't understand his brain,...
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he really should be sitting down having lunches with john boehner, friendly lunches. that's what peggy noonan writes because they got to get a deal and they're growing further and further apart. it looks like we're about to sail over the cliff. you know what? rush limbaugh said yesterday that that is exactly what the democrats want to happen. >> welfare state, santa claus is what secures votes for them. the welfare state is what guarantees a permanent underclass, which they need. so we if over the cliff. it's a win. everybody's taxes go up. you need that revenue to pay for your welfare state. in addition, what else happens? you get cuts in the military! you don't think a democrat likes that? if -- believe me democrats can't wait for military cuts, defense cuts. my whole life that's the only thing they want to cut! here it is just waiting for them. it's already done. all we have to do is go over the cliff! >> steve: yep. >> gretchen: there is a lot of relevancy to that because who won the presidential election? president obama. he's holding the cards right now and if,
he really should be sitting down having lunches with john boehner, friendly lunches. that's what peggy noonan writes because they got to get a deal and they're growing further and further apart. it looks like we're about to sail over the cliff. you know what? rush limbaugh said yesterday that that is exactly what the democrats want to happen. >> welfare state, santa claus is what secures votes for them. the welfare state is what guarantees a permanent underclass, which they need. so we if...